Project Airbus – Talk

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 13 May 2010, 19:09

Do you mean this one?

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177 ... /OA717.jpg

It's the same with the other one... Just the "Aviation" text is missing..

Post by **Alexis** » 13 May 2010, 19:41

Άξιος!

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 13 May 2010, 20:38

Ευχαριστώ!!!

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 13 May 2010, 20:42

Didn't know that there was a Greek guy in PA!!
Once again the myth is confirmed!!

"In every rock you lift... there is a Greek guy underneath it!!"

Post by **esg** » 13 May 2010, 21:11

Den einai monos tou

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 13 May 2010, 21:16

Ti sto kalo??
Posoi eiste????

Post by **Alexis** » 14 May 2010, 00:24

LOL... Ζουν ανάμεσά μας... However, let's keep to English.

Post by **DerKranich** » 14 May 2010, 05:26

Alexis wrote:Άξιος!

well an alpha-xi-iota-omicron-sigma to you too, Alex :mrgreen: :lol:

(sorry, I just had to)

as for the 717, I will be texturing, but I am kinda the self-proclaimed king of procrastination. On that note, I really need to just finish up that TAM A320 of mine.

AirNewZealand_A320 · Post by **AirNewZealand_A320** » 14 May 2010, 05:32

Pleasure to make your acquaintance. I'll be organising the Panel.bmp.
And its not looking too bad either.

AirNewZealand_A320 · Post by **AirNewZealand_A320** » 14 May 2010, 07:23

Here is a rough 1 hours work.

C&C?

Post by **GaryG** » 14 May 2010, 07:29

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I NEED YOU, I NEED YOU, I NEED YOU

send me a pm man, please please

You'll be my saviour.

PLEASEEEE PM me as soon as possible, we need to talk

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 14 May 2010, 13:49

Ok then.. We'll keep it in English...
If you need anything do not hassitate to contact me!!

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 14 May 2010, 15:26

Here are some pics that I found..
Hope they help!

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177 ... on/717.gif
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177 ... n/7176.png
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177 ... n/7177.gif
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177 ... n/7174.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177 ... n/7175.jpg

Why don't you use this as an avatar??

chriswallace83 · Post by **chriswallace83** » 14 May 2010, 15:42

Man I miss Olympic Airways. Years ago when you were allowed to, we used to park in the Terminal 1 car park at Toronto Pearson Int'l, and look down over the tarmac. I was all of about 3 years old, but I specifically remember an Olympic 742 parked below us, and I was fascinated by the Giant Olympic Rings on the tail. Absolutely beautiful.

Alexis, I am very much looking forward to the 717. I'm a fan of the DC-9 styled aircraft. Can't wait.

Does anyone know of a good B717 sound file by the way?

Post by **GaryG** » 14 May 2010, 15:47

chriswallace83 wrote: Does anyone know of a good B717 sound file by the way?

Anyone good enough to volunteer??

flightsimer · Post by **flightsimer** » 14 May 2010, 15:49

I also will be doing some of the texturing for the 717.

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 14 May 2010, 15:58

chriswallace83 wrote:Man I miss Olympic Airways. Years ago when you were allowed to, we used to park in the Terminal 1 car park at Toronto Pearson Int'l, and look down over the tarmac. I was all of about 3 years old, but I specifically remember an Olympic 742 parked below us, and I was fascinated by the Giant Olympic Rings on the tail. Absolutely beautiful.

Alexis, I am very much looking forward to the 717. I'm a fan of the DC-9 styled aircraft. Can't wait.

Does anyone know of a good B717 sound file by the way?

Toronto... Ah.. *signs*
Last flight of Olympic Airways was 424 from Toronto with an A340-300 and landed at 11:10 on September 29 2009 after a very low fly over the airport to say goodbye!

For the painters
Olympic always had names for their fleet.. here is the list of the types and names!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Airlines
Cheers

Post by **esg** » 14 May 2010, 16:08

The 'open source' idea can prove to be interesting with the right amount of expertise

Post by **GaryG** » 14 May 2010, 16:23

True.... the fact is that, everyone is good at something and maybe with some effort, we can achieve something...

It's always good to contribute in one way or another

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 14 May 2010, 16:46

Well I am not good at modeling... or painting (believe me I've tried!! :? )
But I am good at finding info!

And I know a lot about the Greek airlines... Even some Dark Mysteries!! (Deep vampire voice)

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 14 May 2010, 17:43

Ha!!! Look what I found!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE4zJ9zgQJ4

Post by **Alexis** » 14 May 2010, 22:43

The configurations made are the two-class and full-economy versions. Unluckily I couldn't hack the entire cabin in the FS9 model (yet). That means that FS9 will only have a VC+wings version. The FSX one (when done) will have everything in it.

flightsimer · Post by **flightsimer** » 15 May 2010, 00:25

remember, their are two more models, eyebrow and no eyebrow windows.

Post by **Alexis** » 15 May 2010, 09:28

Eyebrow model is being made, I'll see about the no-eyebrow one.

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 15 May 2010, 17:21

Question: What is the difference in these two models?? :?:

Post by **esg** » 15 May 2010, 17:26

Inbreker · Post by **Inbreker** » 15 May 2010, 18:51

Alexis wrote:Eyebrow model is being made, I'll see about the no-eyebrow one.

Is there a lot of extra work involved in making a no-eyebrow model then? Just curious.

NoseGear · Post by **NoseGear** » 15 May 2010, 19:00

esg wrote:

esg, that's a pretty decent picture to get some textures from. Mainly the window frame.

Faris

Post by **Alexis** » 15 May 2010, 20:45

Not a lot of effort involved in making a no eyebrow model. I just like the eyebrow one more. Plus, there will be a ton of d/ls to choose, for repainters.

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 15 May 2010, 20:57

I also prefer the eyebrow model (With no maskara on please!! :lol: [Sorry I couldn't resist not joke about it])

Atomic_13 · Post by **Atomic_13** » 16 May 2010, 02:40

dotsalgon wrote:I also prefer the eyebrow model (With no maskara on please!! :lol: [Sorry I couldn't resist not joke about it])

Hahaha! Nice one :lol:

flightsimer · Post by **flightsimer** » 16 May 2010, 04:26

Alexis wrote:Not a lot of effort involved in making a no eyebrow model. I just like the eyebrow one more. Plus, there will be a ton of d/ls to choose, for repainters.

ya i do too

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 16 May 2010, 13:32

Alex?
Techmen is modeling a boeing and did a clever thing for realism.. he animated the flaps and slats to extend unsynchornised... can you also do that? Is it possible to be done?

Inbreker · Post by **Inbreker** » 16 May 2010, 14:05

Dotsalgon, are you sure about that? I'd think that if you extend your flaps not at exactly the same phase you would get some really bad problems because your lift/drag is not the same for both wings...

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 16 May 2010, 14:33

I know what you mean.. but I think you got confused...
I was refering to that Video
http://www.youtube.com/user/wiki737#p/a/u/0/Su8pgq70DT0

Post by **esg** » 16 May 2010, 15:28

Is that even realistic? Were they trying to simulate the effect wingflex has on the slats?

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 16 May 2010, 15:37

Hmm you are right.. I saw some videos.. not that realistic..
e.x. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKMg2xxbQSQ

flightsimer · Post by **flightsimer** » 16 May 2010, 19:16

dotsalgon wrote:Hmm you are right.. I saw some videos.. not that realistic..
e.x. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKMg2xxbQSQ

that is a -800 not -300... big difference between the two... so it might be true on the -300. i havent found a pushback video on youtube in which they were setting the flaps. but ill continue to look later.

however i dont think this was the case for the DC-9/717

AirNewZealand_A320 · Post by **AirNewZealand_A320** » 16 May 2010, 20:55

Techmen has it done correctly. I just saw and Air NZ 737-300 video and when the leading edge retracted they were not in sync.

Post by **esg** » 16 May 2010, 20:58

Link?

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdO8gTf2NnI#t=2m

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 16 May 2010, 22:09

So.. Techmen was correct but this doesn't happen on a 717?
Cz I saw on the blueprint that It has 5 slats..

AirNewZealand_A320 · Post by **AirNewZealand_A320** » 17 May 2010, 03:36

No-One Said it does on the 717, you brought up the 737, so i finalized it.

Techmen · Post by **Techmen** » 17 May 2010, 05:48

The following is my theory

The assymetric flap deployment is from the fact that the slats are not mechanically linked as shown here. The slats are IIRC Hydralicly powered, Pressure in the pistons are what drive the slat up and down, and because pressure builds at slightly different rates across the system so the slats will deploy and retract at different rates.

I personally saw the modelled effect on a SWA 737-300 over winter break so it does exist and I even saw it on the ryanair video you posted a while back, but it appears the NGs have a new setup making them able to deploy more insync than on the classics, that combined with the relativly low resolution of the video made it hard to see.

EDIT: Im unsure if the 717 has it, what will determine if it has it will be if it 1) Has indepentantly moving slats and 2) how the system driving the slats works.

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 17 May 2010, 20:05

So.. Since 717 is older when 737 it could have asymentic slats?
How can we find out?

Post by **GaryG** » 17 May 2010, 20:17

Who said 717 is older???

Lol.....first flight was conducted in 2 September 1998....

check it out here man: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/717/

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 17 May 2010, 20:24

Ooops.. Small mistake... sorryyyy

But what about it's slats??

flightsimer · Post by **flightsimer** » 17 May 2010, 20:28

PAIRBUSBEST wrote:Who said 717 is older???

Lol.....first flight was conducted in 2 September 1998....

check it out here man: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/717/

however, the 717 has the same exact wing as the DC-9 so the wing is older than the 737NG's and may possibly not have been updated

Techmen · Post by **Techmen** » 17 May 2010, 21:04

It has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with how old it is. It has everything to do with how the slats are driven and if/how they are connected

Post by **esg** » 17 May 2010, 21:27

More important things to be taken care of with the 717 right now, anyway

dotsalgon · Post by **dotsalgon** » 17 May 2010, 21:31

Well in this video shows that the DC9 had the slats move like Techmens 737..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_b1EePANos