717

dotsalgon
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Re: 717

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Do you mean this one?

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177 ... /OA717.jpg

It's the same with the other one... Just the "Aviation" text is missing..

Alexis
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Re: 717

Post by Alexis »

Άξιος!

dotsalgon
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Re: 717

Post by dotsalgon »

Ευχαριστώ!!!

dotsalgon
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Re: 717

Post by dotsalgon »

Didn't know that there was a Greek guy in PA!!
Once again the myth is confirmed!!

"In every rock you lift... there is a Greek guy underneath it!!"

esg
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Re: 717

Post by esg »

Den einai monos tou

dotsalgon
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Re: 717

Post by dotsalgon »

Ti sto kalo??
Posoi eiste???? :o

Alexis
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Re: 717

Post by Alexis »

LOL... Ζουν ανάμεσά μας... However, let's keep to English. :D

DerKranich
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Re: 717

Post by DerKranich »

Alexis wrote:Άξιος!
well an alpha-xi-iota-omicron-sigma to you too, Alex :mrgreen: :lol:

(sorry, I just had to)

as for the 717, I will be texturing, but I am kinda the self-proclaimed king of procrastination. On that note, I really need to just finish up that TAM A320 of mine.

AirNewZealand_A320
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Re: 717

Post by AirNewZealand_A320 »

Pleasure to make your acquaintance. I'll be organising the Panel.bmp.
And its not looking too bad either.

AirNewZealand_A320
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Re: 717

Post by AirNewZealand_A320 »

Here is a rough 1 hours work.

Image

C&C?

GaryG
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Re: 717

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Airnewzealand I NEED YOUUUUU

I NEED YOU, I NEED YOU, I NEED YOU

send me a pm man, please please

You'll be my saviour.

PLEASEEEE PM me as soon as possible, we need to talk

dotsalgon
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Re: 717

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Ok then.. We'll keep it in English...
If you need anything do not hassitate to contact me!! :P


chriswallace83
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Re: 717

Post by chriswallace83 »

Man I miss Olympic Airways. Years ago when you were allowed to, we used to park in the Terminal 1 car park at Toronto Pearson Int'l, and look down over the tarmac. I was all of about 3 years old, but I specifically remember an Olympic 742 parked below us, and I was fascinated by the Giant Olympic Rings on the tail. Absolutely beautiful.

Alexis, I am very much looking forward to the 717. I'm a fan of the DC-9 styled aircraft. Can't wait.

Does anyone know of a good B717 sound file by the way?

GaryG
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chriswallace83 wrote: Does anyone know of a good B717 sound file by the way?

Anyone good enough to volunteer??

:P

flightsimer
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Post by flightsimer »

I also will be doing some of the texturing for the 717.

dotsalgon
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Re: 717

Post by dotsalgon »

chriswallace83 wrote:Man I miss Olympic Airways. Years ago when you were allowed to, we used to park in the Terminal 1 car park at Toronto Pearson Int'l, and look down over the tarmac. I was all of about 3 years old, but I specifically remember an Olympic 742 parked below us, and I was fascinated by the Giant Olympic Rings on the tail. Absolutely beautiful.

Alexis, I am very much looking forward to the 717. I'm a fan of the DC-9 styled aircraft. Can't wait.

Does anyone know of a good B717 sound file by the way?
Toronto... Ah.. *signs*
Last flight of Olympic Airways was 424 from Toronto with an A340-300 and landed at 11:10 on September 29 2009 after a very low fly over the airport to say goodbye!

For the painters
Olympic always had names for their fleet.. here is the list of the types and names! :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Airlines
Cheers

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Re: 717

Post by esg »

The 'open source' idea can prove to be interesting with the right amount of expertise

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Post by GaryG »

True.... the fact is that, everyone is good at something and maybe with some effort, we can achieve something...

It's always good to contribute in one way or another :)

dotsalgon
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Re: 717

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Well I am not good at modeling... or painting (believe me I've tried!! :? )
But I am good at finding info! :P
And I know a lot about the Greek airlines... Even some Dark Mysteries!! (Deep vampire voice)

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Re: 717

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The configurations made are the two-class and full-economy versions. Unluckily I couldn't hack the entire cabin in the FS9 model (yet). That means that FS9 will only have a VC+wings version. The FSX one (when done) will have everything in it.

flightsimer
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Re: 717

Post by flightsimer »

remember, their are two more models, eyebrow and no eyebrow windows.

Alexis
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Re: 717

Post by Alexis »

Eyebrow model is being made, I'll see about the no-eyebrow one.

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Re: 717

Post by dotsalgon »

Question: What is the difference in these two models?? :?:

esg
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Re: 717

Post by esg »

Image

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Re: 717

Post by Inbreker »

Alexis wrote:Eyebrow model is being made, I'll see about the no-eyebrow one.
Is there a lot of extra work involved in making a no-eyebrow model then? Just curious.

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Post by NoseGear »

esg wrote:Image
esg, that's a pretty decent picture to get some textures from. Mainly the window frame. :P

Faris

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Re: 717

Post by Alexis »

Not a lot of effort involved in making a no eyebrow model. I just like the eyebrow one more. Plus, there will be a ton of d/ls to choose, for repainters.

dotsalgon
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Post by dotsalgon »

I also prefer the eyebrow model (With no maskara on please!! :lol: [Sorry I couldn't resist not joke about it])

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Re: 717

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dotsalgon wrote:I also prefer the eyebrow model (With no maskara on please!! :lol: [Sorry I couldn't resist not joke about it])
Hahaha! Nice one :lol:

flightsimer
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Re: 717

Post by flightsimer »

Alexis wrote:Not a lot of effort involved in making a no eyebrow model. I just like the eyebrow one more. Plus, there will be a ton of d/ls to choose, for repainters.
ya i do too

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Re: 717

Post by dotsalgon »

Alex?
Techmen is modeling a boeing and did a clever thing for realism.. he animated the flaps and slats to extend unsynchornised... can you also do that? Is it possible to be done?

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Dotsalgon, are you sure about that? I'd think that if you extend your flaps not at exactly the same phase you would get some really bad problems because your lift/drag is not the same for both wings...

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Re: 717

Post by dotsalgon »

I know what you mean.. but I think you got confused...
I was refering to that Video
http://www.youtube.com/user/wiki737#p/a/u/0/Su8pgq70DT0

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Post by esg »

Is that even realistic? Were they trying to simulate the effect wingflex has on the slats?

dotsalgon
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Re: 717

Post by dotsalgon »

Hmm you are right.. I saw some videos.. not that realistic..
e.x. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKMg2xxbQSQ

flightsimer
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Re: 717

Post by flightsimer »

dotsalgon wrote:Hmm you are right.. I saw some videos.. not that realistic..
e.x. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKMg2xxbQSQ
that is a -800 not -300... big difference between the two... so it might be true on the -300. i havent found a pushback video on youtube in which they were setting the flaps. but ill continue to look later.

however i dont think this was the case for the DC-9/717

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Re: 717

Post by AirNewZealand_A320 »

Techmen has it done correctly. I just saw and Air NZ 737-300 video and when the leading edge retracted they were not in sync.

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dotsalgon
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Re: 717

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So.. Techmen was correct but this doesn't happen on a 717?
Cz I saw on the blueprint that It has 5 slats..

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Re: 717

Post by AirNewZealand_A320 »

No-One Said it does on the 717, you brought up the 737, so i finalized it.

Techmen
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Assymetric Deployment

Post by Techmen »

The following is my theory

The assymetric flap deployment is from the fact that the slats are not mechanically linked as shown here. The slats are IIRC Hydralicly powered, Pressure in the pistons are what drive the slat up and down, and because pressure builds at slightly different rates across the system so the slats will deploy and retract at different rates.

I personally saw the modelled effect on a SWA 737-300 over winter break so it does exist and I even saw it on the ryanair video you posted a while back, but it appears the NGs have a new setup making them able to deploy more insync than on the classics, that combined with the relativly low resolution of the video made it hard to see.

EDIT: Im unsure if the 717 has it, what will determine if it has it will be if it 1) Has indepentantly moving slats and 2) how the system driving the slats works.

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Re: 717

Post by dotsalgon »

So.. Since 717 is older when 737 it could have asymentic slats?
How can we find out?

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Re: 717

Post by GaryG »

Who said 717 is older???

Lol.....first flight was conducted in 2 September 1998....

check it out here man: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/717/

dotsalgon
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Re: 717

Post by dotsalgon »

Ooops.. Small mistake... sorryyyy :roll:
But what about it's slats??

flightsimer
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Re: 717

Post by flightsimer »

PAIRBUSBEST wrote:Who said 717 is older???

Lol.....first flight was conducted in 2 September 1998....

check it out here man: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/717/
however, the 717 has the same exact wing as the DC-9 so the wing is older than the 737NG's and may possibly not have been updated

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Re: 717

Post by Techmen »

It has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with how old it is. It has everything to do with how the slats are driven and if/how they are connected

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Re: 717

Post by esg »

More important things to be taken care of with the 717 right now, anyway

dotsalgon
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Re: 717

Post by dotsalgon »

Well in this video shows that the DC9 had the slats move like Techmens 737..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_b1EePANos

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